omfg first of all i wanna say thank you for this ask. like this is rlly awesome LMAO i genuinely do not have the words! ig it means a lot that you’d share these thoughts with me. also it’s nice to know i’m not THAT insane when i say this shit. but anyways! to respond to all of this. the first point abt longing for queerness in this fandom… yeah man. like you said, a lot of onces are definitely gay, but they’re not necessarily queer. there’s 100% a distinction and, yeah, a lot of this fandom isn’t queer. a while ago i was rlly kinda upset abt the fact that, despite me putting my All into my fics, certain stuff of mine just didn’t get read. and someone brought to my attention that part of the issue is just… how queer i make my fics. like as oomf put it, “we write dyke shit for dykes” 😭 and that’s not a bad thing! but it definitely isn’t what a lot of onces are looking for at all. i’m not afraid of making the girls queer or trans. a lot of my experience with being a lesbian myself is related to my gender- like butch isn’t just a label for me, it’s my gender identity, too. and idk if you get that anon, a lot of people don’t, but a lot of my feelings towards lesbian gender identities do come out in my writings. and i wish other people wrote abt it too. the last fandom i was in waa rupaul’s drag race, and the fics over there were wildly fucking queer!! but a lot of that is bc the show and the culture surrounding it was obviously insanely queer. so i think the jump from that to kpop in general has rlly been a bit of a culture shock to me 😭 it’s kinda sad to me that more people aren’t doing that stuff over here but… yeah this fandom is. rlly cis. shrug. and yes i do not think all of the members of twice are straight. i cannot help but assume bc like, statistically… but also bc yeah they do act gay as all hell with each other!!!! ANYWAYS!! moving on from this point, i do hope people start to write more queer twice fics lmao.
but you mention jihyo being someone who you feel a kinship with when it comes to gender expression and, for me, yeah it’s jeongyeon. like specifically 2022-current jeongyeon lmao. i have a lot of feelings abt this topic and i don’t really know where to start with them lmao! it’s just complex. on one hand, i know she’s been open about the fact that she was uncomfortable being forced into the girl crush concept- as you said, i’m sure that was an insanely isolating and uncomfortable period of time for her, and i’m sure she’s still dealing with lingering shit from that period of time. but on the other hand, y’all, she genuinely is everything i want to be as a butch. like it’s not even abt her masculinity when i say that- jeongyeon has a ridiculously butch personality. i read something once where a femme author interpreted butches as steel wrapped around velvet- on the outside we appear to be so tough and scary, but once you get to know us we are sweethearts, we are caretakers. and to me that’s very jeongyeon. i think a lot of the time onces are really obsessed with trying to put her specifically into one singular box, and it’s… well, aggravating, to say the least. that’s also just not how humans work. i identified as a trans man for almost 7 years, i still have a lot of trauma from that period of time in my life bc i was forced into a box that i’d never be able to fit into, and i am so sure jeongyeon feels similarly to that in her own way. also: i gotta say that genuinely, from the bottom of my heart, i love seeing her be so open with her femininity lately. like she looks so comfortable and confident lately, and i cannot express just how happy it makes me. i would never go as far as to call her a femme (bc like, if y’all know anything abt lesbian history and identity, she just isn’t one lmao), but with that being said, i wouldn’t outright say she’s a butch either. like fr yeah it’s fictional. we shouldn’t impose labels onto idols. but i think a lot of people in this fandom equate butch and masc with man so badly that they’re trying to make jeongyeon out to be something she isn’t (to me anyways!!). and this is where i say that it is insanely isolating to be a butch twice fan, esp a trans masculine one. some of the people who read this probably won’t get it, and some people reading this might be angry abt it- but, yeah, this is my identity, these are my feelings, and i find so much comfort and safety in jeongyeon bc she’s relatable lmao. this is an incredibly butchphobic fandom. if you read this and feel disgust i really implore you to consider whether or not you feel grossed out by butches and why, if you do. shrug. i won’t get into it much further bc then we’d be here all day but trust me, there’s layers to it that i’m not mentioning rn (her weight is a major one) just for the sake of me not keeping you here all day lmao! i agree she’s reclaimed her masculinity and she’s turned it into something that makes her happy and comfortable- that’s something i had to do, too. at the end of the day i love so much about jeongyeon, more than i could ever say, and i am just so grateful i found her when i did.
as for momo, chaeyoung, and jihyo, yeah i agree with everything you’ve said! they’re all both masc and fem in their own ways and it is honestly really beautiful to see lmfao. i really love how chaeyoung carries herself specifically. she’s got such an androgynous sense of fashion and it even translates into a lot of her art, imo! after jeongyeon she’s probably who i feel the most kinship in terms of gender. mohyo are the futches of the year to me- they combine both aspects so damn well and ugh it’s so hot. i am so happy to be a lesbian. i will also say that mohyo (and jeongyeon!) specifically bring me comfort bc of their nd traits as well, but that’s another conversation lmao. moving on to your final point- the whole hot take to begin with- about twice being queer. well yeah. i think queer people are just drawn to art in any form, esp performing arts, and that’s what this whole thing is at the end of the day. you mentioned how an inherent part of their job is being feminine, and it’s like, yeah, duh! it played a major role, esp early on in their career. i’d love to hear more of their thoughts on it if they ever shared any, though with how conservative korea is as a country, i doubt we ever will. even though some of it is definitely imposed on them by the nature of being in an idol career, it’s nice to see how every member of twice has grown into their own unique femininity over the years. and with that being said, yes, i 100% believe that for some of them it is definitely queer! and yeah i do think some of them are queer!! shipping aside, lmao. it’s like, for example, i’m a big fan of shinee- key isn’t just gay, he’s queer. i’d say that about many male idols tbh, but i don’t think it gets said enough abt female idols. the only one that pops to mind is yves. whatever she’s got going on isn’t level 1 lesbianism, yknow? LMAO. same with moonbyul from mamamoo. idk. i think bc twice is so popular, they have a certain image to keep up with, and jype is a bit afraid to let them branch out of it (which is another reason i’m so happy chaeyoung’s album turned out the way it did). obviously now i think it’s less strict- like idk man jihyo’s bisexual ass killin me good performance was insane to see, and i think it was definitely on purpose. man i haven’t even mentioned nayeon on this ask but yeah trust me she’s in my mind rn too. idk, at a certain point, is it still fanservice? or is it actually THEM expressing themselves? anyways. i’m gonna chill here now bc i have to leave in a sec but! thank you so much for this ask, and thank you so much for giving me the space to yap about my own queerness in relation to twice, along with my thoughts abt their own queerness. i could def say more if you’re ever interested in hearing it! i got a whole ass degree in literary theory with a specialization in queer theory, i constantly read up on gender and sexuality studies, etc. this is something that rlly excites me and makes me happy. and this felt cathartic to write out and put out in this space lmao. so yeah anon you’re awesome and this was rlly nice lmfao. hope you’re having an amazing day ok ily <3

genuinely yes. people are just saying the ships are dead bc they don’t pay attention to anyone BUT their “royal” ships. and even then trying to claim some of them are dead is genuinely crazy. like idk i’m a big 2yeon fan, and while we don’t get interactions between them as often as we used to anymore, it’s clear that they still care about each other. they wouldn’t be so happy to goof around on stage together. i know people want them hanging out but i genuinely am convinced it’s a lifestyle difference atp- they have different tastes (like nayeon loves her blind boxes, jeongyeon hasn’t ever bought one, for example lmao). them wanting to do different things and wanting to hang out with other members isn’t an indication that they’re dead. plus i’m sure a lot happens behind the scenes that we literally don’t see or know about, things we will never know about! but this is all to say that a ship does not need 50 billion interactions for y’all to ship them. mfer one of my favorite ships ever is jitzu and i cannot tell you the last time we got an interaction from them. and yet it’s still an alive ship!!! like all of these are! bc ultimately we made this up!!! 😭 idk what’s in the water lately. i hope people get over it soon bc atp it’s feeling very… “well clearly this ship’s dead bc they’re not talking every hour of every day so don’t even waste your time shipping it”. like man that’s not how shipping works. and like, yeah, oml it’s clear that those girls are still just as close as they were before the tour started. shrug. it’s rlly annoying

LMAO ok fr… listen i don’t think jihyo is immune to the silencing power that is jeongyeon’s deep, irritated voice. also this goes to help with my theories that 1. jihyo isn’t bratty allllll the time just bc jeongyeon can be overpowering, esp when she’s tired and 2. well… jeongyeon has sensitive hearing LMAO. like that’s so random to bring up but it’s a very neurodivergent trait- i also have sensitive hearing 😭 she even said it on bubble that jihyo’s loud (which… also nd… no volume control/realization if you’re loud) and then i saw another once bring up how jeongyeon’s done the same thing to nayeon LMAO. this is to say that jihyo, imo, has a clear awareness of when she needs to stop pushing it- aka, when she needs to stop being a brat- with jeongyeon. sorry i know this ask was probably meant to be horny but i think its cute too gjdkdkdkdkd i love ujbisms

it’s not a hot take at all but i do think people want to ignore it. and like you said, that’s okay! everyone has the ships they enjoy and everyone has the ships they don’t! and even then, a ship does not have to be actively up each other’s asses for it to be valid (or fun). like i’ll be so deadass rn, there’s a ship that’s wildly popular in the fandom that i do not love at all, but others do- and that ship doesn’t have a fuckload of interactions, either! not that i’ve seen anyways but hey, i might not be paying attention enough- and the thing is that i don’t want to, so i probably never will. i think that’s a lot of what’s going on with ujb rn. people are acting like it’s a genuine NUKE to other ships, which is just not the damn case y’all. like this is fiction at the end of the day. i get that people are going to come out and say negative shit no matter what- it’s the internet, people thrive on anonymity and when they have that, they will use it to any advantage. that includes that person who said that jeongyeon just… wasn’t as “obsessed” with jihyo. you’ve listed so much here that, imo, proves otherwise. but the thing abt it is that these things are all kinda… subtle? jeongyeon does things like that. she’s not someone who loves when the attention is on her, so to me, she’s just not someone who thrives on grand displays of affection. plus… idk man, i think her and jihyo are well past the point of them needing to be all up in each others faces about stuff. jeongyeon doesn’t have to outright tell jihyo she loves her bc she shows it in her actions, and jihyo knows that. i answered an ask very similar to this on tumblr a few hours ago but the point still stands- they’ve been in each others lives longer than they haven’t been, longer than we’ve known them. for them to be this close and clingy is beautiful, lmfao. also i think that people see jihyo as more obsessed bc she’s… well, she is a bit of an attention whore LMFAO. like that’s fully a joke but jihyo definitely is much more okay with being in the spotlight compared to jeongyeon- and she absolutely knows how to work it when she has it. but soooo much of her showing jeongyeon off is her way of expressing her love. i’m a firm believer that jihyo wants the whole world to see jeongyeon the same way she does, which is why she’s so open. like damn she rlly took jeongyeon’s phone and edited her instagram posts just bc she wanted everyone to see the prettiest pictures of jeongyeon first. that’s just how she is and how she’s always been! so yes, they are equal in their love for one another, it just shows so differently bc… well, they’re different people. jihyo’s logic where jeongyeon’s emotion; jihyo’s loud where jeongyeon’s quiet. idk i rlly could talk all day about this. i guess my final point that it is a bit sad that ujb has to be justified to this point, and even then people will still do and say whatever they want bc they’ll never listen. and i never expected ujb to blow up like this, btw. on one hand i’m glad more people are going here but on another… yeah, it’s kinda exhausting to see people saying this shit. either way i think i will always love them, and a big part of why i love them is their love for each other. i hope they continue to always choose each other lmao.

ok ok i’m gonna use this ask to do it. but i want to make some ground statements before we continue lmao
1. i wanna first say that ofc everyone is entitled to their own opinions just in case i come off as a hater. this isn’t personal 😭 though some of them def go against the grain of the general fandom’s current tastes, it’s not meant to be an attack on anyone who disagrees lmfao
2. genuinely i do hc every member as switch and vers. like it is a matter of what fits the plot, yknow? although ive got preferences, i do my best to get out of my comfort zone with some stuff when it comes to writing just as a challenge for myself. i think everyone should try it!
3. lesbianism is so beautiful and awesome
ok i think that’s it. now i can rlly get into it.
- the first thing ive gotta say, which like everyone already kinda knows, is that… well yeah, jeongyeon leans top. service top specifically. maybe not necessarily dom 100% of the time bc like… well, she’s puppy. she’s obedient to a fault, and there’s an inherent submissiveness that comes with that. but to me she’s such a Giver. she takes care of everyone around her in her own way (and it’s def different/specific for each of the girls lmao). this also just ties in with the fact that i rlly don’t see her being as horny as everyone else, or as needy for an orgasm either. to me she rlly fits the image of someone who is borderline stone, and i just think that’s really beautiful LMAO. she’s the type who gets off to her partner getting off. now where it becomes more mentally ill is when i say that, sometimes, it sort of feels like this fandom is ignoring who she is as a person whenever they hc her as this bratty sub. and i do get it- not everyone’s fics have to be as realistic as humanly possible, some people fr just use twice as face claims for their writing and that’s 100% okay. but to insist that this girl is fully a bottom just like… doesn’t make sense in my brain. let me expand on that further in another bullet point hold on. LMAO
- ok this is a general thing. but something abt this fandom (and frankly the culture of top/bottom discourse as a whole) that drives me nuts is how people talk abt bottoming and submission as something that’s inherently degrading… when that genuinely is the furthest from the truth. i see it a lot for jeongyeon and momo, and i guess it’s just bc they’re labeled as the group puppies, but there seems to be some fans (whether they bias them or not) who are just very excited to take any and every chance to humiliate them, and that includes when they talk abt them as subs and/or bottoms (or even omegas). idk man. a lot of the root of the problem in general is just straight up misogyny, which i could go on for days abt that, but i’ll cut it here. i just have a bit of a chip on my shoulder when it comes to how people speak abt jeongyeon and momo sometimes- i don’t rlly see it with any other member. hope that made sense bc it does to me and i just got home from a baseball game so i feel like i’m half dead rn lmaooo
- on the topic of momo, though, i do actually hc her as submissive. like i said if there’s a good plot with dom momo then hell yeah brother keep it up. i’m having fun, too. but lowkey it sometimes does feel like gore of my comfort character when momo’s talked abt like she’s a mean or dark dom. the most for me is soft pleasure dom, but idk she’s just… she’s obedient, she doesn’t necessarily try to take charge of anything, and she’s insanely humble irl! also #tome she is def a switch. but fr momo just doesn’t have a mean or angry bone in her body. it feels wrong to talk abt her like that
- and then speaking of mean and angry doms… sanayeon. y’all. i fully agree that they def have the capability, in fact i do hc them both as dom leans. but i kinda hate when that just translates into them being toxic in and out of the bedroom- ESP sana. they’re both getting individual points wait
- ok with nayeon, yeah, i do hc her as toxic to a degree. i don’t think she’s good at communicating- like she genuinely hates to feel any emotion, happy or sad or angry lmfao. to me she thinks excitement and love are cringe, and she carries a lot of guilt for being angry after it happens. i know the image of her being this hot evil dom is all the rage rn, and while i do agree it’s sexy as fuck, i don’t think that’s who she is 24/7 to her core. she loves the princess treatment, loves to be babied. and while yes she can be bossy, i just don’t see her as someone who is Always that way. she’s got a vulnerable side to her that i am desperate for more people to explore, including myself!!
- side point abt nayeon for a sec too, but a while ago there was this running joke among some shippers (i won’t name the ship but some of y’all may know) where it was like. “yeah nayeon gets away with whatever she wants bc she’ll just beat [redacted member].” and i, personally, think that’s really gross to joke abt. sorry to be sensitive but as an abuse survivor i don’t think i’ll ever find these jokes funny, and i also think it’s rlly fucking awful that people would go that far to compare nayeon to an actual abuser, to take joy in making fun of the other member of said ship suffering to That point. like i said some of y’all will def know but… shrug. and ofc yeah, if that’s how you cope with shit you’ve been through, i do get it. i don’t expect anyone to have to like list their traumas out in order to justify any jokes or fics or whatever, plus your coping skills are your own- but i do beg of some of y’all to consider how it might affect other abuse survivors before you hit tweet. ok moving on ily mwah
- now onto sana. y’all. good lord the mischaracterization of minatozaki sana needs to be STUDIED. once again i know that evil toxic femmes (and toxic yuri in general) is all the rage rn. and yes i do love them so much. but once again that just… isn’t sana 24/7 to me. i agree that she’s a flirt, she’s a tease, she can be a little manipulative, and she is bossy as all hell… but she’s also the sunshine of twice. that girl is happy as hell and sweet as damn sugar. she’s insanely intuitive of the other members’ emotions, knows every single one of them well enough to know exactly what to do when they’re having a hard time. she’s the glue that keeps that group together. i wish more fics explored that side of her, too. like she’s goofy, she can be a loser- definitely gives me the type of person who embarrasses herself worse so that her crush doesn’t have to take the full fault when they do something embarrassing, yknow? like ugh i could go on and on and on abt sana. she’s amazing. she’s talkative and bubbly and helpful. but people are so distracted by her inherent cuntiness that it comes across as like… if you’re not writing her like this, you might as well not be writing her at all. it’s sort of why i shy away from writing her in general bc the fanon sana is what everyone wants to see rn, and idk, i feel like i’m doing it wrong 😭 so yeah… hope this made sense. moving on.
- i have genuine beef with anyone who acts like smc is just not capable of fucking at all. like. sighs. i’m not saying you HAVE to write them- hell i have yet to officially write dahyun or tzuyu as an mc, as bad as i want to. but to act like 1. they’re not the grown adults they are and 2. there’s nothing interesting abt them bc they “can’t” fuck is just horse shit. i guess this is less abt chaeyoung and more abt dahtzu bc chaeyoung happens to be part of a major ship ive seen plenty of smut of (shout out michaeng), but still. it feels like all the smut ive read that features dahyun and tzuyu is several years old atp, and i don’t see much of it nowadays. stop ignoring those girls!!! and make them complex!!
- side note to this but although i do hc dahyun as vanilla (and a bit skittish when it comes to kink) i’m over the whole christian straight girl trope with her
- this is gonna be my last point for now bc i know this post is a mile long. but. yeah. i don’t get dominant mina guys i’m rlly sorry. i’ve tried, but it just feels like… against who she is as a person. to me, anyways. lord knows how many times i’ve said this but i get it- sometimes mina is just a face claim, everyone should have fun. but to me she’s someone who wants princess treatment, someone who yearns with her whole heart. much like momo i just don’t think she has a genuine mean bone in her body. she’s a brat for sure, will def be manipulative to get what she wants, but she’s not mean or very dominant. like that’s my sweetiepie who plays minecraft and thinks marvel movies are peak cinema, who goons alone in the dark to freaky ass porn and then feels guilty abt it the second she cums LMFAO. she’s got such a soft face and personality to me ugh. idk everyone loves her and wants her and will do anything for her. more princess mina pls i fucking beg everyone
- actually i just lied and this is a very specific problem that i do wanna get off my chest. but this fandom needs to get more poly and more queer asap. make them butchfemme, make them trans, make all of them be in one gigantic polycule. i wanna see stone tops and pillow princesses. and i also want more fics where they’re neurodivergent, too! idk it’s just like… there’s so much queerness that this fandom lacks and it makes me sad as someone who is genuinely so fucking queer. i know there’s a few authors who do this, but i’d rlly love to see more yknow. let’s get weird!!!!!
ok anyways. now i’m done fr. again i might chicken out and delete this post but uhhhh yeah. don’t throw tomatoes at me ig. i spend so much time thinking abt this shit it’s kinda crazy. also i have more i think but it’s specifically abt ships so ig if yall wanna see that just ask and i’ll get around to it!! ok bye i love u all ty for reading lmfaooooo

ouuuu funnnn omg. i’ll go down the line and tell you my take lmao
- i agree but i’d swap out chaeyoung for mina. i think her and sana are tied for the biggest freaks in twice. so like. 1. misana, 2. nayeon, 3. chaeyoung lmao
- well yes. nothing to add to this LOL
- also yes!!! michaeng are my weirdos together. they have lots of sex and there’s 0 judgment, they’re also def the members i think would be the most likely to explore new kinks/fetishes together. insane sexual chemistry
- i agree. in 3rd place is jihyo (who is also the best strap rider lmao). and i feel like tzuyu uses it well, too
- yes bc they’re show offs. chaeyoung would be a frequent sender as well, but it’s more artsy stuff that she obviously can’t ever post, so she sends it there lmao
- sanayeon absolutely are exhibitionists, but i think for momo its not something she necessarily gets off to… she just happens to be sanayeon’s main target, so she gets roped into it a lot. i think mina’s more of one than she is.
- oooooo omg… now this i can definitely see! i’m not a huge michaenger by any means and tbh i do prefer chaeyu but also, genuinely, all ships are valid lmao, so i’ve never really considered this myself. but now that you’ve mentioned it i can 100% see it. one of my universal chaeyoung hcs is that she has commitment issues like crazy, so she has a bad habit of accidentally leading people on/being a heart breaker in general. so basically yeah i fw this!
- i agree. dahyun is very vanilla, a little skittish when it comes to trying new things, but if she’s with the right person she can def get her freak on. and then i think jeongyeon’s vanilla when it comes to the things she likes done to herself, but she’s a giver, so if her partner’s an absolute freak she will indulge in it for them, even if it doesn’t necessarily turn her on. examples that popped into my mind for both of them are like. ok, so, yeondub! nayeon would be someone that dahyun trusts enough to try new kinks with- nayeon’s sweet to her, doesn’t judge, and she’s experienced. dahyun can feel calm enough to try something like basic bondage with her bc she knows nayeon will listen to her needs and adapt to them. and then for jeongyeon, let’s take jeongmi for example- mina is into some pretty extreme stuff that jeongyeon would never love for herself (i.e., mina’s a heavy masochist, lmao). but let’s be so real, jeongyeon would do Anything for mina, and that includes paddling her until her ass is bruised. she enjoys it bc mina enjoys it. and then ofc yeah, i think tzuyu is the truest neutral ground in twice. she doesn’t need things to be super freaky to cum, but she’s also not afraid of trying new things by any means. she kinda gives me “i’ll try anything once” when it comes to sex, yknow? outside of her hard limits anyways.
- i’d say it’s more of 70% in my mind. i think nayeon likes to give up her control more than she’d ever want to admit (esp with specific members), and then sana enjoys being literally forced to submit, but like if she’s with a more vanilla member there won’t always be some inherent bdsm dynamic going on. i hope that makes sense lmao.
this was a fun list!! tysm for sharing it with me :3

ok heavy agree on this!!!!! it’s also why i hate this whole “[x ship] is divorced” “oh there’s a clear separation in the group now” garbage that’s going around. i’m not as familiar with saida (i like the ship but i don’t go there as much as i do others), but like… man, even i know they’re still clingy- we all saw how they acted during the encore at the last concert, and even before that there’s been plenty of sweet moments between them! bc as you’ve said, it’s clear all of twice is still close. like yeah sure they were all doing different stuff during the tour but have we considered that, like, idk, they’re grown women with different lifestyle choices 😭 some of them are much more physically active than the others, some of them don’t drink, some of them aren’t adventurous eaters, etc. we can’t expect all 9 of them to want to do the exact same things anymore. they’re allowed to be human beings and go out and do what they want- and the lack of them hanging out 24/7 isn’t an indication that a ship is dead, lmao. idk, it’s really annoying in general bc it literally just all leads back to people arguing over ships to begin with. idk why people feel the need to be like “well clearly my ship is better bc they’re always together”… why can’t we just be nice… anyways. basically yeah anon i rlly get you, we’re in this together 🫂

you sent two asks so i’ll just put them both on the post but!! listen i think jihyo fell first and jeongyeon fell harder. to me they’re very idiots in love bc they did not realize for the longest time that it Was love. jeongyeon is so oblivious. like criminally so, lmao. but i will use this ask to say i kinda hate the idea that jihyo’s been more in love with jeongyeon than jeongyeon’s been with her… if that makes sense. idk i saw someone the other day saying jihyo was more obsessed with jeongyeon and therefore ujb wasn’t valid 😭 and i think that’s bullshit. jeongyeon never shows her emotions with jihyo bc she’s so used to having jihyo around and in her life that they’re Well Past the point of her needing to do or say shit outright yknow? instead it’s shown in her suggesting they get matching necklaces, teasing jihyo for being too loud, making sure jihyo isn’t left alone to suffer in a situation where she might feel awkward or uncomfortable… which we all saw in that vlog but yknow, it has happened outside of that, too. it is cute that she’s being open about it with us, though. i hope she keeps it up lmaoooo