ooof yeah very concise way to phrase it. i'd open the conversation to just say this is a repeating issue with chan across other relationships as well but i think it has played a larger role with chanlix because Felix in his admiration of chan has had to consciously reject that humiliation because for all that chan supports him and tells him to come to him to talk it can be difficult to do that with someone who you Know internalizes need that way (and you've looked up to them for so long!). But then i dont know if they Are at a standstill!! i think the 2kr conversation was deeply meaningful and in content that has come out since then i do feel some of that nostalgic ease creeping in between them again. relationships are always evolving in one way or another and the thing about skz is they are not leaving each other behind :)