as much as this topic nauseates me i will power through for you anon
a lot of people here have different opinions on this but to me i honestly don't think they've fucked
at most they've tried to and then one/both of them called it off although i mean it's been 7 months they've definitely kissed (god bless claire for all that she's going through) and have probably tried to do hand stuff or maybe oral but absolutely no orgasms are being had on either end in these situations so i think it just gets so awkward that they have to stop halfway and try again in a month

i just think it becomes very obvious when a couple has started fucking on each other but they are still so unsexual about each other, haven't even held hands on camera, and won't even stand next to each other for longer than they have to and i strongly doubt hamzah can get it up for her because he can't even convincingly pretend that he's sexually attracted to her in 3 different ig comments
plus hamzah has always been so repulsed by anything to do with sex but ESPECIALLY the female body whenever either of those topics come up in conversation or in a show or when martin jokes about it and i'd say recently he's been getting even more icked out by it than he used to maybe because he used to be able to pretend to be into it when he was nowhere near actually having sex with a woman but now that it's plausible for him the idea is freaking him out
^ i remember when hamzah said he never ever thinks about having sex with women and said it was just because he's respectful like that (definitely not because he's gay) and that reel hamzah liked saying Is there any other way we can have kids cause I don't wanna do all that is pretty blatant to me

i honestly cannot tell how claire feels about it because she used to be physically repulsed by hamzah and is now dating him so i have no idea if that also applies to suddenly wanting to fuck on him now but i do think she initiates more than him (as in like once a month compared to never)
and i think hamzah believes the reason he doesn't want to have sex with her is because they just don't need all of that gross sex stuff to be dating, their love is so strong that bedrotting in the same room and sending each other ig reels is all they need ❤️ and has told her something to that effect so they are not very active at all and they just think that it's a good sign that they don't need it

yeah he definitely heard her and pretended he didn't and i hope she realised that and was shading him instead of just being oblivious 😭 but i'm more confused as to what their living arrangement is because she really had to save that story for a voice note the next day while he was at the office???
like even if he was busy (as in saying I need to edit I need to edit until she storms out) when she got home she couldn't even tell him when they went to bed or in the morning??? no but genuinely do they not even sleep in the same room???
when we find out they knew they were both gay this whole time and were actually in a lavender relationship that they agreed to in order to cover up their sexualities and they each keep to their own designated half of hamzah's house

it's crazy that you can barely tell if it's martin or claire in those photobooth photos with hamzah claire and mandy (where mandy's kissing her and hamzah isn't)
the whole fanbase has said from day one that claire is identical to martin in both appearance and personality and that hamzah is dating claire because she's the closest thing to martin so they know this but it still hasn't registered in their brains exactly what they're suggesting... i am seeing more and more of those edits though and i think at least a few of those editors know what's going on
^ i feel like what was especially incriminating for hamzah beyond just how similar martin and claire are, were the drawings hamzah posted where the only two with stars in them were claire with star freckles and martin with stars in his eyes... like hamzah really wants what's inside martin and wants martin's heart but settles for claire because he sees it/him on her externally so if he squints she's close enough to martin if that makes any sense

i want to know exactly when martin started planning to propose to mandy because i imagine he very quickly told hamzah about it
based on their hair in the video of when martin was buying the ring i would say that happened back in late april but considering how much thought and effort he put into everything about the proposal and the way his entire theme for the boxing match was about mandy and his love for her he had to have been planning the proposal/planning to buy the ring for a while before that and it would be interesting if he first brought up the idea back in late january/early february... then in february hamzah coincidentally decides to take his straight larp to the next level and end his 2-3 month ish talking stage with claire by asking her out

tradwife culture is returning with clairezah as its golden couple and i do actually think some clairezah fans are verging on tradwifeism with the things they say about claire
i mean a 19 year old girl starts dating a 22 year old man and immediately moves countries to live with him, loses all of her personality humour and individuality so instead now everything she does revolves around him, and she drops out of education so he can be the one with the stable job while she just exists as his beautiful stay at home girlfriend whose hobbies include: baking for him and posting about him, and now people genuinely hope she marries and has kids with him at 20
what the fawk are we doing anymore

i like to think that i still know a fair amount about that era of hamzah but no actually
i used to get a few 4freakshow clips on my fyp here and there but i never gaf back then to be honest i just remember thinking from what i saw that chase was carrying them and hamzah was like aggravatingly pretty
and then over the years i saw a few of hamzah's tiktoks that went viral like the we are all in our cars right now one but i somehow never realised that was even his tiktok until i got into slushy noobz
i never actually started watching any of his content until i started seeing all of the probably paid slushy fanpage clips on my fyp and started watching slushy noobz in april 2024 i believe?
wasn't until february this year that the freak came out though