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writing my first johnten and why did nobody tell me I would be going through the five stages of grief. i’m the idiot for trying to write a fic that was both canon compliant and happy at the same time but holy fuck if this isn’t the most depressing shit i’ve ever written. like i’m crying and throwing up at every scene. the thing is the fic isn’t even that sad compared to other johnten fics i’ve read (because we are actually the most miserable fandom of all time) but I just want them to be happy and together and that seems impossible in my story so i’m coping all over again. the goal was a happy ending but now it’s heading towards bittersweet and even though it’s literally my story there’s nothing I can do it had to be this way because I want the fic to feel realistic. this is definitely going to be the last canon compliant fic i’m writing for a while lol. in my next fic they’ll be fairies or some shit idk ANYTHING BUT THIS. i’ve read all your fics and they’re 10s across the board like wow im literally speechless after each one but im curious what your experience writing fics that are set in the real world is like? like compared to writing fics set in different universes? which do you prefer and how do you get inspiration for creating new worlds? also I saw that snippet of gotde pt. 2 and i’m so sat like I literally screamed. I just know we are going to be fed good.
BABYYY that's the universal experience i'm afraid! you're doing everything right, they're just them! your brain knows they're too difficult to let you a spin a happy story so it's just correctly recognizing the patterns and building a more realistic scenario dkjdsds
thank you for your kind words about my fic! i get you about not wanting to write canon comp, i'm kind of the same. too damaging for my psyche and too restrictive in terms of how cozy and indulgent i want to make it (and i do wanna make it indulgent most of the time). for a while (until maybe like 2021) i actually felt icky about writing about them irl cause it felt intrusive and also too restrictive for me. then i got over the icky part somehow but the restrictiveness stayed. i don't think i'll ever want to write a longer canon-comp work.
about the inspo for new worlds - i just steal honestly. like i read somebody else's fic and i think wow that setting/situation/etc is hot, i wonder how i could make it even more torturous dskjds or like if two characters on tv/in a movie have great chemistry, i'm like ok now this but with johnten. that's basically it.
thank you for being hyped for gotde2 🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺 it's going slow but i'm determined to finish it!
Ten is so, so fascinating. I wish I was smarter and more observant to really get more from watching him and the different dynamics he has with people in his orbit.
The ask talking about him wanting to be in control unless he decides to let someone lead him and how it relates to his stage play within wayv and how he interacts with Johnny sparked some thoughts for me about how his dynamics with different people.
I recently saw a clip from a radio show earlier this year where Ten brought up wanting to travel with Kun for the umpteenth time. He was arguing with XJ about how he would be the perfect travel partner for Kun and would follow his plan and XJ was incredulous, likely due to his experience of Ten and not thinking about a side that Ten hasn't shown him, perhaps. The side that is willing to let go and go along for the ride, as long as it's his choice.
2025 ten probably still sees him that way sometimes with the way johnny acts. maybe not “mean” but stoic? i’m struggling with a description.
i disagree. he thought he couldn't be friends with him back when they just met cause johnny didn't look approachable. obviously that didn't last very long. it's a different thing entirely that makes ten less proactive now, i don't think he's not hanging off johnny cause he's wary of him. he just knows it's not the wisest thing to do
I knew who ten was because of GDC but didn't know he is such a sexy performer until this year haha. Do you have any takes on where it comes from or that's just him?
Also I've been enjoying your fics! I saw you answered your thoughts on whether johnten were ever together but I couldn't open the ask anymore!
lmaoooo i couldn't open neospring either but i then i thought maybe my clipdiary (desktop app that keeps a record of your clipboard) still has it cause it keeps like the last 10k entries... AND IT DID KEEP IT. so thank you for reminding me, here's the full thing. i'm quite fond of it too, i'm glad i saved it:
ok being extremely real delusional rn i don't think they were ever together. in my mind ten was very obviously into him but never tried anything cause their power dynamic predebut and early on didn't really allow him to be bold like that (see the second biggest problem below). and johnny knew (or suspected at least) and found it thrilling or flattering but also embarrassing and he's much more worried than ten about his reputation and image among the others (with so many years wasted on sm already) so he never encouraged ten. but never openly discouraged him either cause he knew it'd break ten's heart beyond just the pain of being rejected - like it'd mean johnny loved him less specifically for being his flirty fruity self, which couldn't be farther from the truth.
i have a sub-theory that ten came out to him early on (speculated on this a bit in happen ch. 27) and johnny was extremely cool with it like almost performatively supportive. not letting himself or ten treat it as a confession of love or even grounds for one. and maybe ten was equally anxious so he played along (they're too good at "yes, and" with each other and that includes avoidant behavior). so they graduated their relationship to "buddies who make gay jokes and the underlying joke is that it's not a joke but we all laugh anyway." then the fans started getting the underlying joke and johnny went into his current "gay unless it's ten" mode to prevent it getting too big. no doubt also framing it as taking care of ten in his head.
johnny loves to be loved i think. and among everyone, and especially being the black sheep at sm, ten's open adoration was something he cherished a lot and felt tender about, whether it was romantic or not. he loves being loved but hates not being in control of the situation, so he'd rather stay the impenetrable hyung who's there to help and love unconditionally and make ten laugh but not to be vulnerable back (see the second biggest problem). johnny's own feelings and desires are a mystery even to him, i'm convinced. he's so deep into risk management he has no idea what he wants. he wants security first and foremost. helplessly adoring ten is something that feels good but doesn't feel secure, so we'd better reel it in as soon as we notice the emotion.
ten has lost a lot of his blind adoration for him in the last few years though :/ you can only be young and stupid for so long before you start noticing the lack of effort from the other person (and not just lack of opportunity given to you by fate).
then, their first biggest problem is that they don't talk but their chemistry and mutual attraction save their interactions every time they meet up so they are never forced to make an effort to maintain and deepen their relationship. and i think atp they have kinda accepted they're not as close but every time they're in the same room they can't help but test how far that unfailing connection can stretch and how much they can get away with before the other person communicates a boundary (is there one? are we different people now than we used to be? see the second biggest problem). re johnny's sudden manhandling outbursts and them always being found standing/sitting together in the back of the group.
their second biggest problem is that people who meet rarely and don't get to watch each other change tend to revert to their old selves when they meet (like you meeting your old classmate and thinking they're still the same person they were at 17). and i think it makes ten revert to his role of little brother who lets johnny lead and command what happens, so he won't initiate anything, and johnny is passive to the point of avoidance cause i think he's a little scared of change, and specifically of losing something small he already has (like the dregs of his friendship with ten) by trying to get something bigger (be it a relationship, an honest conversation, a resolution, etc.).
sigh
can’t you have interest in a morally grey ship like johnhyuck or johnmark… why you gotta pick the one with the current minor
please indulge my outlandish confession that i can’t release anywhere else.
so i’m a sex-crazed maniac, and as one, i could never help but notice just how good ten must feel in his body, simply by the way he moves and carries himself. that addicting softness and pure ease of movement. it always made me wonder how it would carry over to the bedroom, and while i can’t quite visualize it, i sure am obsessed with the thought of it. so much so, in fact, that i believe i’ve learned how to move like ten. the major differences between us is his decades of experience in developing a catalogue of movements, and his crazy levels of flexibility. not sure if i can ever catch up to that last one, but i’m certainly trying (damn is it hard though).
but where it counts, i can move like ten (even sing like him a little). if i ever accomplish the two things noted above, i’ll even rival ten (but i’m a woman so i can probably get away with wilder things). he moves like water and like a lifetime of being comfortable in his body. i like to think i move like air, disrupted by a lifetime of anger at never being enough, but still fighting through it.
through ten, i’ve learned to become more than enough. i wish we could dance together someday. it’s such a beautiful daydream.
the way I'm giggling seeing you being obsessed with the fic! my plan to get you hooked on it worked hehehe no but seriously I'm glad you are loving the rec so much🫶
i’m not op but i’m SO with you. “ten is in control with everything and everyone he interacts with except for one person.” i’ve literally been thinking this the past few weeks especially after that video where ten said he didn’t want to do xj’s part or switch parts lol i think it was because he wanted to be the one leading and especially after nctzens said ten is a top because he likes being in control and i totally see it, he likes being in control and just doing whatever he wants on his own terms (idec about the whole top/bottom talk i just wanted to point it out because when they said “ten likes to do whatever he wants,” i had this realization... i never thought about it that way back in the day) but then my brain immediately went, “but with johnny though...”
johnten needs to be stopped. i can’t live like this anymore.
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I think im getting old... all this fanservice onstage and in official contents doesn't do shit for me. I think it gotten worse ever since a friend of mine unfortunately reminded me S*j* members used to kiss on stage 😭
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